Second Quarter Equipment Budget

This is an Electronic meeting, therefore you may reply at any time and do not need to be in the meeting room

The COPA has just finalized this quarter's Equipment budget, and has alloted 500,000 dollars remaining, after essential purcahses are made, such as the new units for Station 2.

Several Things that have been brought to the attention of COPA as wanted items for equipment are:
1.Hefty Ballistic Sunglasses Kit, as summer is approaching and these would be good for all personnel. They run at $100 a piece, and you'd have the options available here Every ERT person would receive one, and group cost would be $15,000

2.NSP-1100 Safety Light Series nightstick, which is a rugged nightstick/flashlight combo. These would be purchased for police officers, and would be given the red/blue side light combo. This would allow officers to use a nightstick, a flashlight, and a traffic baton as one tool, allowing more room on your utlity belt. This would replace the current large bulky flashlight, and it would also reaplce our nightsticks, with an additional, six inch extension on the bottom of it (not shown as standard, special ERT only). These are costing $35 each, and would be issued to POLICE ONLY. An order of 50 would be placed, and it would cost 1750 for the group. See here
3. EMI: Flat-Pac EMS Response Kit, which has beenadvocated for by many of our police officers, who want a medical kit in their cars. This is basically an advanced, larger First aid kit, which would allow first due officers to provide better first aid. It would be orange and it costs $70 a peice after work has been completed on it. There owuld be one in every police unit, so group cost is going to be about $1700. This will replace only the first aid kit, and not the advanced medical supplies you may seein some paramedic's cars. See here. POLICE ONLY

4. Specialized ERT OtterBox for every phone. Estimated cost would be $8,000. This would create an Otterbox case for all ERT personnel with the ERT logo on back, as well as special added protection that is not available on standard otterboxes, as ERT TEC would also join in on the design and planning.

5. Fire-Dex: Leather Pull-On Structural Fire Boot, NFPA 1971, to replace our current Black Diamond Comfort Fit Rubber Boot. This new boot boasts all new technology and asethtic appeal. These run at 245.00 a pair, so estimated group cost of replacementwould be $12,25. This would replace current duty fire boots for FIRE DEPARTMENT ONLY. See Here.

6. Globe FootGear Quad-Certified Technical Rescue, Wildland, EMS, Liquid Splash Zipper Speed Lace Boot, NFPA boot to replace the current EMS footwear. These provide exceptional comfort, and durability. They cost 348.00 a pair, and would be for EMS only at this time. If police would like to have these as well, they canvote and if majority wants it, then it would be added to the budget. Theestimated group cost for EMS ONLY would be $8,700 for 25 pairs.

7.Vehicle modifications for Fire trucks. Many firefighters have apporached asking for a truck motto to be added to their unit, for certain decals, etc to be added. These have been approved by COPA, however will run a cost of 1000 for motto, and an additional 500 for every decal placed. This is now an option for all fire trucks. If they decide upon a motto, and agree to place it on, it will be added. EMS and police cars would all receive the same motto should they choose one, and it would cost 2500 for special detailing, such as ERT POLICE, The good guys, or another type motto to be added to all marked patrol cars. Likewise with EMS.

8. 30" FuBar Forcible entry tool. To be added in addition to current loadout on all fire trucks and SEV standard hatch. Group cost for FIRE ONLY is $1500. See here.

9. Throwboat LE, to act as a tool to help with Tactical entry and scouting the scene. This would be a primary tool for the scout, however it is also being advocated for general TAC use. See Here.

Other suggestions may also be raised at this time. Please also discuss each option as presented. Additional ones will be added if suggested and COPA approves

5. would we have to switch to the leathers? I've been raised on rubbers and I've tried leather I just don't like them as much I know I'm crazy most people like it the other way.


7. I love of course because i'm american and it's our nature to want to do every thing we can to stand out from other people haha.

5. Im with moon on the Rubber thing, I would like to stick with my Ranger rubbers. lolololol.

Alright, I see that 5 isn't looking so good, mainly because people don't want to switch to leathers? If others do though, please voice it, and if you don't also voice and why you dont wanna

8.

can we look into getting fubar tools on the trucks (unless we already have them)

we just recently got them on our trucks there lighter and more compact then a TNT or axe so there nice for a nozzle man or an officer to strap onto his belt

http://www.thefirestore.com/images/55-12_callouts.jpg

Added as number 8

7. because i know us pumper guys can come up with a good one
8. because we have them and they are the best

5. I would personally suggest that instead of the Fire Dex, Globe leathers. They are much more comfortable and the have more wear and tear to them. (I have a pair in my gear for my vollie dept. and it feels like Im wearing a tennis shoe.)

5. I like leather since I have some with my gear and it look pretty cool too haha.
7. Since we already made one haha.
8. We need this since it is like 3-4 tools in one light tool. It's great!

I gotta say, I like the ideas but I'll go with everyone on the boots. Really I could care less, but still who cares. I do like the new entry tool though, that will be very helpful. I'd love to agree on a truck motto, too. That would be very cool. I'll PM the crew!

i have to say i do think we shoud get leather boots. ive had rubber boots and i hate them they always rub blisters not matter what sort of pant i have on. my leather boots fit to my leg and dont slide around.....can we "purchase" them on our own if we wish?

http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_6421_globe_footgear_supreme_14_structural_fire_boot_pull_on_nfpa/
This is the alternative leather boot, about the same price

http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_368_3009_warrington_pro_14_structural_firefighting_boot/
i personally like these better

1.Sun glasses are great for patrol, what do these look like?

2.I would like it for a replacement for a flash light, however, would perfer to keep a standard baton as we have just due to duribility and situations where flashlights may be needed else where.

DCBurke wrote:http://www.thefirestore.com/store/product.cfm/pid_6421_globe_footgear_supreme_14_structural_fire_boot_pull_on_nfpa/
This is the alternative leather boot, about the same price

i like these

(Bruke have you been looking at my gear? Those are my excat boots.)

((IDK if I'm not allowed to post here, but this caught my eye: http://www.reconrobotics.com/products/recon-scout_throwbot_LE.cfm

Each unit costs $4,875. I recommend getting the tactical version for the RRT Truck, since we're usually the first ones to get to a TAC-worthy incident. It's throwable, quiet, affordable, and agile, and gives an inside view of whatever we're up against. It would also eliminate the need for a scout, since we would then have a bot. We should get another for the fire department if we order a customized version that is fire resistant. It would help for search and rescue, and for determining where victims are in a building.))

yeah i've seen those before you might alright have those they should be standard swat gear especially for a government crew

We currently do not have an active scout on the RRT, however there is a place in the HR for a scouting unit. RRT is supposed to clear the scene and attempt initial contact, not enter. This could be something to place on the HR-1 as part of the scout's loadout. Before chosing this though, I'll get the full PD's opinions.

Also, for a fire version, that will not be included, as I try to keep things realistic. We may at a later date invest in specialized SAR tools, but that will come with the specialized units for it.

they have versions with infareds to which would be nice for USAR to get into smaller spaces or even bigger robots like bomb looking robots with cameras on the end would be nice once we have a budget to add on gear to the heavy rescue

That will not be on the Heavy Rescue, we have a USAR unit in the works

well my point was of getting the items it's not about what vehicle it rides on

I did a check; as far as I can tell, this is the only robot that is throwable and immediately deployable. Plus, it weighs only about a pound and a half. $5K is a fairly good price for this kind of equipment. The only thing I'm concerned about is that the robot will reveal TAC's intention to enter a building and raid it, but that risk goes with any attempt at scouting the interior of a building.

There's also a rescue version for the fire department: http://www.reconrobotics.com/products/recon_scout_rescue.cfm

Ah i'd like to bring another one up i'd like to get the thoughts of bruce and other HRES trained people I'd liked to switch helmets to the FF/SAR helmets with the goggles other then just my preference reasons the goggle provide you better protect from anything coming in the side or up from under your shield.

USAR and HRES are given the smaller helmets so that they take up less space when firefighting. Both persons though, are given the option of goggles, however they are just not worn on the helmet like the other ones without a visor(since they have a shield meant for smaller less dangerous tasks

I want those leather yellow boots as part of my gear. Also on the helmet topic, it may look weird but I'm guessing that type of helmet helps rubble just slide off of it compared to the other helmet styles.

1 and 2

well it wasn't necessarily the look or shape of the helemts it was more the goggles over the shield

would it be an option for the HRES/USAR people to have the FF/SAR helmet and the HRES/USAR helmet but only use it when they are being deployed?

Right now, no, since the USAR and HRES uniforms are nothing like the other uniforms, as they are much lighter and work in a totally different way than convential turnouts

I Have a few suggstions

shoulder mics for PD and EMS personnel
And vehicular radio chargers for portables in addition to mobile radios
Purchasing Less lethal weapons (Expendable Baton Rounds, Mace, Pepperball guns) for RRT
Purchasing Shotguns for traffic units. (Many police depts give shotguns to traffic units)

i figured those are already standard issue but if there not I agree

I thought you guys already had the shotgun...or is that patrol?

shoulder mics for PD and EMS personnel - Standard already
And vehicular radio chargers for portables in addition to mobile radios - We have mobile radios already, and chargers aren't neccessary considering no shift would go past 24 hours under ANY circumstance, and they have a batt life of 36, and are charged when you're not on duty.
Purchasing Less lethal weapons (Expendable Baton Rounds, Mace, Pepperball guns) for RRT - All police have access to standard LLW
Purchasing Shotguns for traffic units. (Many police depts give shotguns to traffic units) - Patrol officers have shotguns, traffic do not, as they focus mostly on traffic crimes.

Meh, I would prefer us having shotguns, since if we're doing a felony stop or something, since we'll be there usually, would be nice to have extra firepower in case, since waiting for patrol cops may not always be the best idea.

you could mount them in the trunks instead of in the vehicle which would discourage use however it would be there just in case

Traffic officers still have sidearm weapons, and the standard police loadout, but right now they are not in the vehicles, simply beause traffic will seldom be doing felony stops, just by the nature of their job.

Wouldn't traffic be more likely because they are 1/2 the time running plates?

i have a compromise thought....since according to the card the traffic supervisor car has a shot gun maybe in the trunk put one or two extra in case

DCBurke wrote:This is an Electronic meeting, therefore you may reply at any time and do not need to be in the meeting room

The COPA has just finalized this quarter's Equipment budget, and has alloted 500,000 dollars remaining, after essential purcahses are made, such as the new units for Station 2.

so does this mean we can sugest vehicles for station 2?

you can try but he's pretty much established what it's going to be last I heard it was

heavy rescue
light rescue
RA
Marine
station chief

but thats only 5 he said there will be 6 units so idk what the last one is

No more room in the budget for that. Only 500,000 dollars left AFTER buying trucks, equipment etc.

The budget includes the cost of the five trucks for station 2, and will not be accepting any new requests at all for fire trucks, since no vehicles are more than 3 years old

i think we should put a rescue engine in the station

our truck has a pump....and the other station (i forget whos) is right down the street we've been through that argument like a million times it's built to be a rescue station not a fire fighting station

1.Hefty Ballistic Sunglasses Kit,as seen here, has passed budget. Every ERT person will receive one, and group cost is $15,000. Please choose your option from those on the link given. (no need to go through the motions of actually choosing them, it's more so for you if you want to put it in your Roleplaying)

2.NSP-1100
Safety Light Series nightstick as seen here. Order of 50 has been placed, and the cost was $1750


3.
EMI: Flat-Pac EMS Response Kit, as seen here has been passed at $1700. This will
replace only the first aid kit, and not the advanced medical supplies
you may see in some paramedic's cars.

4.
Specialized ERT OtterBox for every phone passed at $8,000 .

5.Globe FootGear: Supreme 14" Structural Fire Boot Pull-On, NFPA, costing 329.15 a piece, and coming in at a group cost of $16500 has been passed by vote of support



6.
Globe FootGear Quad-Certified Technical Rescue, Wildland, EMS, Liquid
Splash Zipper Speed Lace Boot, NFPA boot to replace the current EMS
footwear has been passed for $8,700.

7.Vehicle modifications for units have been approved. $10,000 alloted. Unit officers please contact COPA with specifics.

8. 30" FuBar Forcible
entry tool has been passed at $1500. See here.

9.
Throwbot LE, as seen here has been approved for use on Rescue 1, HR-1. These will be for Rapid intervention and scouting purposes respectively. Total cost for this purchase is $12,000

The total equipment budget cost is $75,180. The remainder will be used to restock, replace damaged equipment and upgrade the alarm systems of the fire stations as well as the ERT Complex Lockdown system.

Do all members agree with this budget?

Agreed. If we got to cut something, cut Otterboxes.

i agree

I agree.

Well no one was against it, and we had the money to spend, so I said to hell with it and made the exec decision to spend