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    Post by DCBurke Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:08 pm

    Taking place in the ERT Non COPA Meeting room, located on floor two of the Main Headquarters, we have a this quarter's forum for All personnel.
    Please dicuss out of character issues in bold
    Please discuss in Character issues in the regular posting format

    This is open for all personnel to voice things they want to see changed
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    Post by J. Riles Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:45 am

    *I walk into the room, sit down, and look to be the first person ready to pipe up*
    Alright, my thing is obviously how we don't have any EMS personnel. Obviously it's due to people wanting to be in other divisions, but why? What could make EMS more interesting?
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    Post by J.Libor Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:57 am

    I think the problem with EMS is that you have to know what to do. I mean every kid wants to be a fire fighter or police officer, but they dont even know what a medic is. Plus, its not easy to learn all the stuff quickly if you dont have experience.
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    Post by J. Hannahan Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:00 am

    *I walk inside of the room and see Riles sitting down. I then talk up.*
    'DC uhhh, when's Station 2 going to open? I don't know if it can at the same time since we may not have enough people for it but what's a rough estimate of when it would open?'
    Is there something we could do about people who aren't active. I remember we had a bunch of people in the fire service then they all disappeared and never came back. I've also noticed that the police division is growing at a pretty quick rate but why is it that the EMS division, like Riles said, and the Fire division isn't getting anyone? Also, Libor, haha, they could learn. It would ake some time but they could learn. I guess people aren't too interested in it sadly. We need more EMS and Fire.
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    Post by J. Bucello Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:26 am

    As far as TAC goes, the person in command is usually inactive, as is our sinper. Only the negotiator and I are on regularly, which can be a pain if TAC is needed for a sequential or time-sensitive emergency, such as a hostage crisis. Often, the people who are doing the planning aren't in charge, and those in charge aren't exercising leadership.
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    Post by J.Libor Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:30 am

    Ya, as much as I like Bridwell, but he isnt on enough to be in charge of TAC. He could be on it somehow, but shouldnt be in charge.
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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:33 am

    I think that most people just think once they get into the EMS divison that it will be just like the Fire division. Saving lives every two seconds and being the hero. And, once they find out that you might save a life or you might just go to a call where you pick up some 82 year old lady who fell and help her back in her bed and you go back to the station. They basically start to realise that they won't be going every day to patients with GSW's, Codes, MVA's involving four cars with rollever and entrapement. Burke, has done a good job on how calls are regulated so we get some good calls and we get the "normal" calls. The only one that is missing is the "Psych" patient calls. haha The reason I left was, I work out at Oaklawn horse racing track and we run our own ambulance service with it. And, it began to feel like I was just working all the time. I started to not enjoy it, so I applied to switch.
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    Post by C. Jackson Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:39 am

    If needs be, I think we should probably merge Fire and EMS, and have like a rotating system, so sometimes you're on an RA, and other times you're on an Engine or Ladder, that way we can have people working both, so then they'd have more fun, and not be single track, I dunno, just suggesting.
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    Post by J.Floan Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:12 pm

    I agree With Hannahan that something needs to be done about inactive Members. EMS or Fire or Police, the EMS Divison is all but dead honestly, I and I know this isnt going to be popular among the support people but why not ask a couple Paramedics in Support to transfer to EMS... Fire hmm I run an engine with 2 active people those being Myself and Anders. that sucks but it is what it is I wish we could get more to the Engines, again that could be where Support comes in. Why is it we need 2 support vehicles. Its a bummer but Support and Ladder seem to be the only dedicated Active units, why not take Support and Divide them between EMS and Pumper. Like i said I know its not gonna be popular but its a suggestion.
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    Post by A. Botfish Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:20 pm

    Like I told Burke, I really don't care where I am at. As long asi'm not a cop. I would like to be in the fire department, but i don't care
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:21 pm

    * i join the room late and catch the end of floan's discussion*
    ' Hey guys hows it going?'
    Floan: i can see where your coming from, but to be honest, not too many people on the support are medical trained, and it seems to be we have enough people for medical but then all of a sudden they leave or transfer, and the reason i joined the support unit is because im not the most active person on here and the support roles are a little less needy, ' but if the pumper is that short staffed, and I would have to talk with dc and other officers, but i would be willing to take a pumper seat, i transfered from the ladder because im not a big ladder guy, i like dealing with water, so that might be something we look at, maybe temporaily diminish the support's and spread them to where people would want to go and then once we get more people we can let those people return to the support's if they would like
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    Post by J.Morrison Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:27 pm

    ' Wait wait wait that would leave Moon with me LOLOL, that means he WILL have an accident on the way to a call one day, his seatbelt wont work properly and he may fall out of a Moving Ambulance. hahahahaha just messing with ya I would take him if I were forced lolol '
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:35 pm

    ' dont worry jamie, im sure burke wouldnt put you two together haha'

    [b]I also believe we should set up a twitter account, have one for fire/ems and one for police, even though they make their own calls, they still get some. and for ex. burke you could send one out that is simple, doesnt have to have the full details, just like ** P-11, L1, FS2, Automatic alarm at bank** and leave it at that..

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    Post by EwanRaven Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:23 pm

    I sit down and put my feet up.

    "Guys, I'd hate to say this but we're getting bogged down with lack of training."

    tl;dr ERT is starting to crumble because we're almost handing out certs without training, and there is a lack of people that can think for themselves.
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    Post by JessicaForsyth Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:24 pm

    *I walk in with Bruce and we sit down to listen to the debates*

    I would agree with combining fire and ems but do not agree with rotating. People wan certain jobs I.e. Hoseman on pumper or SAR on ladder.


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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:25 pm

    *I show my ID card at the front door and walk into the room as floan talks about spliting the supports between the Engine and EMS. I find a chair and sit down.*
    I like the Idea of merging EMS and Fire for the reason that their missions are very similar. I don't think we need to have 2 SEV, in fact, I personally don't like the SEV's at all. I think the SEV1 should just be a light rescue for Station 1 and get rid of SEV2, or keep it in the station as a utility vehicle. But the people on SEV 2 should just be on the Engine, we really only need 2 people for a light rescue and on the RA. Three is over kill. Personally I think that we could merge EMS and Fire. I don't like the idea of rotating persons on the trucks, because then you have to learn a whole new truck every few days, or months, or whatever length of time you choose. If you want to be on the Ladder or the Engine, don't sign up for the RA and vice versa.

    I will say that we have to get more recuriting done, but like DC said we rarely get anyone for EMS, so I would keep the Hospital open for Doc's and Kaizer, but shut down EMS and merge it with Fire. They want to run EMS and that's great, the only differnece is they'll be in an RA unit and run out of a fire house rather than the hospital. Then as the FD grows, we can get more Fire/EMS units on the road.
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    Post by JessicaForsyth Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:29 pm

    I agree with Cory except I like the idea of keeping SEVs as utility vehicles
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    Post by EwanRaven Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:32 pm

    Yeah squad is grossly under staffed, and that annoys me because we used to be THE BEST on ERT, we would go out there and show everyone how it was done... now it's like... wow...
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    Post by J.Morrison Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:32 pm

    While Im not much for disbanding EMS i definatly think that rotating between areas is a bad idea, wether keep EMS or combine with fire dont rotate. and yes i agree with Raven that Training should be a priority, everybody makes mistakes but more training would be great.
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:33 pm

    I couldn't agree with you more cory, I believe austin and myself should be moved to the pumper, because when we arrive on scene we are normally placed with them anyway.. and i think a second RA unit should be placed with people from the ems division, and a thrid if need be, and mix emt's and paramedics, that way they can run on anything, not specific als and bls, which i know you have done already, but make them all part of the FD, and when station2 opens one or 2 of the RA can be moved there
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    Post by EwanRaven Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:35 pm

    ACtually spilit you up one to pumper one to squad better that way

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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:37 pm

    Yea, your right raven, does make more sense, or what if we took sev 1 guys to your squad, since it's kinda rescue guys already, and sev 2 to the pumper??
    * I turn and start making small talk with floan asking him what his man power is like now*
    ' so floan, what are you doing with your guys now? do they have specific roles?'
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:40 pm

    Ewan, to your training comment, as far as I know the only people getting cert'd with out training is those that work in the field, i.e., me being a FF/PM with 2 different services coming in to ERT as a FF/PM.

    And my problem with the SEV's and SEV 2 in perticular, is it is doing most of the functions of an Engine crew, but not one the engine, where as we could have 2 or 3 more FF's on the engine doing that job. SEV 1 I personally think needs a name change to light rescue or rescue squad and remove a FF medical off the trcuks since both the SAR and HRES on that truck are already PMs. Thats another Firefighter for the Engine or the Squad.
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    Post by EwanRaven Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:46 pm

    C. Hutchison wrote:Ewan, to your training comment, as far as I know the only people getting cert'd with out training is those that work in the field, i.e., me being a FF/PM with 2 different services coming in to ERT as a FF/PM.

    Well when I say handing out certs I mean like just giving a basic test and being like "Okey doke here you go" And then the person getting the cert goes out and does something stupid.

    We had someone with a paramedic cert kill someone, and we revoked it, the only time we have EVER revoked a cert. When asked which is more important, airway, breathing, or circulation, said medic replied "Circulation." That medic was since then properly retrained and is now competnet.
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:48 pm

    yea, again with cory, and ik ive said this like 40000 times, but, i believe me and austin should go to the pumper, if you want to keep sev 2 as a utility you could, dont see any purpose in that, maybe to go out and get food/ run errands?? and if you need, move sev 1 guys to the squad, or you could keep them on it as a light rescue, but i think the sev 1 guys just end up working with the squad at mva's or with like the ladder crew at fires. I guess id rather see 3 full staffed trucks, rather than 5 trucks with only 2-5 guys on them
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    Post by EwanRaven Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:51 pm

    Just so you guys know, there are special conditions on why we can't get rid of one of the SEVs but that's hush hush so...
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:54 pm

    ' Man, i hate being low on the todem pole, i never know these secrets!!'
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:00 pm

    Are you able to tell us which SEV we can't get rid of?

    And honestly if you look what DC has as full staffing for each vehicle, I think it is a little over kill, i.e. the Ladder having an eight man crew or the pumper having a 6 man crew. Personally we should have 4 on the pump, 5 on the ladder, and 4 on the Squad, not including OIC/FFIC. The RA and SEV, if they stay should only have a 2 man crew total. SEV1 should be the SAR and HRES, or HRES and HRES, If we need the SEV 2 it should be 2 FF's, and the RA should be 2 FF/PM, or if we move EMS over, FF/EMT and FF/PM, depending on the mixture.

    And one more thing I thought of for dipatching, if we send the squad keep the SEV1 available or put them on another call, cause we don't need two rescue rigs doing the same thing at one scene.
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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:24 pm

    Here is my opinion why don't we get rid of the RA's and just use regular ambulances like E-350's or F-350's? If an RA carries three crew members and lets say we have two fully staffed. That is six people, we could staff three regular ambulances with that.
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:27 pm

    but dave, most arn't staffed with 3, ok well i see what your saying it says it is, but that dean collins ( i think thats his name) hasn't been active so it's techincally only 2, and i like it better with the RA's being part of the fire dept
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    Post by C. Jackson Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:29 pm

    I think we do need a Rescue Ambulance, if not for the fact it can carry a helluva lot more stuff, it also carries RIT equipment and all that stuff, but we also need some regular ambulances, for other calls. 3 crew members is better in some cases, especially since you can have two paramedics treating whilst driving that. Just my thoughts.
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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:40 pm

    And we have a Squad, Engine, Ladder, and two SEV's. So are you saying that an RA is carrying something that none of those rigs aren't? And i'm not trying to be a smart-A$$ here in Arkansas Fire Departments don't run Ambulances, they are private or volunteer ambulance services so i'm unfamiliar with them. And, I wasn't meaning get rid of the RA's more meaning do what LA does and have the E-350's instead of a bigger truck that normally requires three people.
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    Post by M. Cressler Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:42 pm

    I sort of like the ideal of moving EMS to fire and getting RA's thats how the city of Miami does it. They of course have some independent ambulances but for 911 calls unless another unit is requested it's almost always RA's


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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:43 pm

    yea, we dont run FD ambulances either, just commercial rigs, and volly's, but i like the ideas of these rigs and yea they would be useful for RIT teams so we dont have to tie up a primary truck ( ladder, pumper, squad) seeing as those are our only " suppression" rigs. that way if we move all ems to these RA's, we could send 2 of them to a fire, one for rehab/ treat injrued firefighters, and send one of them ( with 3 guys) for the RIT team
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:44 pm

    D. Lafferty wrote: And we have a Squad, Engine, Ladder, and two SEV's. So are you saying that an RA is carrying something that none of those rigs aren't? And i'm not trying to be a smart-A$$ here in Arkansas Fire Departments don't run Ambulances, they are private or volunteer ambulance services so i'm unfamiliar with them. And, I wasn't meaning get rid of the RA's more meaning do what LA does and have the E-350's instead of a bigger truck that normally requires three people.

    No RA requires a 3 man crew. Infact most only have seating for 2 in the front. I know for a fact that some department within 30 miles of me require a 3 man crew on an F-350 cab. I doesn't matter the type of rig, be it a Medium Duty, Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 ambulance, you can have as many as 4 guys on a crew in any of those, its just comfier in a Medium duty than a type 2.

    Up in Columbus where I'm from there are absolutely NO private ambo's running 911 or Emergency calls. All you get is the FD's running their 2 man RA's. (See photo in the Random topic for a pic of one.) Here in Madison Co. we have a 3rd party EMS system with the VFDs running BLS/ALS assists when needed, but we done get an ambo. Any way my point is that if we merge fire and EMS we'll get more firefighters no problem, and we can move more of the FF/EMTs and FF/PMs over to RA's.


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    Deleted, I thought I hit the edit button.
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:49 pm

    * I pull out a picture from my folder and pass it around for everyone to see*

    So guys, with this new discussion of ambulances requring more manpower, and for RIT situatuions, what if we staffed 1 ambulance with this type model, that could double as our RIT truck

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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:49 pm

    Ok, well if we want to add another RA thats fine, but I think we should still have the Hospital EMS also. Because not everyone wanting to be a Basic, or medic would want to be a FF also. And here the private and volunteer ambulance services run all emergency calls.
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:52 pm

    They'd be FF's but they wouldn't have to do FF stuff. If we make 2 RA's the RIT trucks, see Tim's post, and the rest are like the RA we have now with a 2 man crew they'd be doing rehab and EMS runs.
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    Post by M. Cressler Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:53 pm

    yeah everyone on our ambulances is a FF but 9 times out of 10 you'll never see them in turnouts
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:56 pm

    i can explain my self better, we would have 1 of the trucks like i posted, with a 4 man crew, they would be our RIT truck and would respond on mva's for more medical manpower ( probably not usual ems calls, save those for the others) and the other RA's would be the same model we have now ( or you can change to a different style, doesnt really matter, and they would just be 2 EMS personell ( PM's or EMT's) and they would respond on the main medical calls like cardiac arrest, trouble breathing and such, but they would be needed for mva's also and fire for rehab.
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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:59 pm

    But, why do they have to be Fire firghers? They can still do rehab and EMS runs and be with the hospital. *I hope no one thinks i'm being a jerk. I'm a question person. If I don't understand something I will ask a bunch*
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    Post by J.Floan Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:00 pm

    well I would be more than happy to take the SEV-2 guys on my Engine, I mean no sense in having 2 support units.

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    ' Yes tim there are set people on the rig or there Should be set people on the rig, I know that Jack in Engineer, myself as TO obviously and from there I would like to get regular roles lined out, just need the personel to do it. '
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:03 pm

    * dont worry, your fine, i like arguing my point like this lol*
    they dont have to be firefighters, well the ones on the one i posted, lets call that RA1 for now, RA1 would be staffed with 4 Firefighters/ EMTs or Pm's..it would respond on all MVAS and Fires ( as well as larger incidents) Thte other RA's 2- ?? ( however many we make) would be staffed with a mix of EMTs/ PM's and would respond to all the typical medical calls, also to Fires for REhab and mvas to assist and transport

    * while others are talking a quick scribble on a piece of paper and send it to floan ' alright, i figured there was' ( i just did it to make it some in character talk, not all ooc lol)*


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    Post by M. Cressler Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:03 pm

    I think getting rid of Sev-2 woudlnt' be bad because it's just fire support I think Sev-1 should be renamed light rescue and moved to the second station
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:05 pm

    Personally I think we need atleast 2 RIT trucks that way if we have one tied up, and we get another call we could send the second. Like we have RA1 be a rit rig, and send it out on a fire, then we have a High angle rescue call come in, that according to NFPA requires a trained RIT team so we'd need another RIT rig.

    Also that vehicle you posted is designed to be a light resce/transport truck so you could make that an extrication/EMS vehicle, but your RIT vehicle should be 2 HRES and 2 SAR FF/PMs.

    It's not that they have to be FF's, but to be on the FD you have to be FF's. It's that the FD is getting large and larger, slowly I'll add, but EMS is rarely getting anyone, but we have, I can't even count the number of FF/PMs and FF/EMTs are on the FD, so we could get more of these guys in to RA's as we're getting more people in the FD, while EMS isn't getting many people. So if you Move EMS over to FD, you get more EMS personell on the road.
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    Post by T. Matthews Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:09 pm

    hmm, now see out here, we dont need any SAR/ HRES to be a rit team, actually we dont have any certs like that, there just a group of FF's with a specfic role of RIT team. We could make that " RIT rig" made up of only SAR and HRES personell WITH some sort of EMS cert, cuz like i stated it would go on MVAs too
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    Post by D. Lafferty Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:11 pm

    I really don't care what happens, since i'm not in EMS any longer. haha But, I think it works just fine the way it is right now. The entire time I was in EMS, we never seemed to have a problem with having RA-1, Medic-1, Medic-4, and Medic-5. But, talking about getting more people in FD to be EMT's/Medics. If all they run is EMS calls, then you will get the exact same thing that happens now with EMS. If they don't get all the "Good" calls. People will get bored and leave. They don't want to do the normal everyday stuff. I did more transport calls than actually running emergency calls when I did my truck time.
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    Post by C. Hutchison Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:12 pm

    Here, you don't have to be SAR or HRES to be on a RIT team either, but the RIT with both of my departments is normally the 2nd due Rescue Truck, meaning the guys that have their Rescue Tech, Hazmat Tech, FF, PM, and Dive cards.
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    Post by C. McEvoy Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:15 pm

    I say Elminate SEV2 and put the guys on the squad and pumper. all this rescue stuff wont matter as long as we get station 2 open soon.

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